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Missing HB · Feb 04, 2011, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Stop asking for the game to be adapted to you and adapt to the game.

The only fact is once again about people stealing rewards. I don't care getting knockdowned 24/7 , same happens every where ,mariokart , etc.. that's part of the game...

On topic, i would like to know : is it still possible to get 475+ after getting kded from ram at begin ??

papryk · Feb 04, 2011, 01:23 PM // 13:23

yes
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Artisan Archer · Feb 04, 2011, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

The only fact is once again about people stealing rewards. I don't care getting knockdowned 24/7 , same happens every where ,mariokart , etc.. that's part of the game...

On topic, i would like to know : is it still possible to get 475+ after getting kded from ram at begin ??

Yes it is very possible. I've gotten 478 being kd'ed out of the gate. I think higher is possible though. I think 485 is the max score you can get pretty much. KD is 1 second, take another second for lost speed and that leaves you at a max score of 483 including kd. You do have to play a perfect race though, which is hard if you're near other people.

Killed u man · Feb 04, 2011, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

On topic, i would like to know : is it still possible to get 475+ after getting kded from ram at begin ??

The anwser to this would be an analogy:

Is it possible to win a formula 1 race if your car breaks down?

Yes, strictly it's possible. However, is it worth wasting time on the hopes of:

-Getting SRB + echo from EVERY box you pick up?
-You don't get a single KD anymore when you're already in last spot (which is REALLY unlikely)
-You don't get blocked despite still having to pass 4 other rollerbeetles?

I don't think so...

Artisan Archer · Feb 04, 2011, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

The anwser to this would be an analogy:

Is it possible to win a formula 1 race if your car breaks down?

Yes, strictly it's possible. However, is it worth wasting time on the hopes of:

-Getting SRB + echo from EVERY box you pick up?
-You don't get a single KD anymore when you're already in last spot (which is REALLY unlikely)
-You don't get blocked despite still having to pass 4 other rollerbeetles?

I don't think so...

Stop blaming other people/things for your own lack of skill.

Killed u man · Feb 04, 2011, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Stop blaming other people/things for your own lack of skill.

Are we discussing the fact that predicting wether or not 5 opponents will use their Ram at a given time is skill as opposed to luck?

But hey, maybe you posses psychic powers I'm not aware of, so I apologize. When I made that post, I wasn't aware of the fact that some players in Guild Wars are a medium and are able to predict other people's exact behaviour, despite those people being different every time, and most importantly randomly use skills. (As we can agree the majority of the PvE community doesn't fully understand how to effectively use Ram and Dash; and thus they'll just use it at random)

More importantly, there's no way to "reflex" other people's Rams, if they use it,it's instant KD. Since there's 5 people in a clusterfcuk ball, I highly doubt you can develop a "skill" in predicting what people will do.

Missing HB · Feb 04, 2011, 06:50 PM // 18:50

I think many people don't really understand how ram works after 4 years tbh.....But it's still understandable : I mean , sometimes it doesn't kd while it should , sometimes you get kd'ed while not even close to guy using it ....

ps : is that me or it's even more lagging than last year ? i keep rolling back on almost every 3 boxes..

Shayne Hawke · Feb 05, 2011, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

But , what i mean is this fact combined to multiple accounts is just not fair , but can anything be done against it ?

Nothing can be done about it, unless you're going to ask ANet to somehow take action against people who hold multiple accounts to get prizes in this matter, which is something that they've never really taken a stance against before. If this were a kind of competition that was monitored to the degree of their art contests, and their goal was to restrict the prize to one per person, you could certainly expect them to take action against those who use multiple accounts.

The only thing that you can do as a player is race better. The highest of scores are the hardest to post, and you should aim to be at least good enough that others are only going to maybe get to post two or three of those above you.

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

On topic, i would like to know : is it still possible to get 475+ after getting kded from ram at begin ??

It'd be possible to even get 480k+, but that's effectively asking for you to have gotten botched on a run that would have been 482k+. A Ram from the beginning is not absolutely fatal unless you've already punched your Dash and end up losing all that speed over time.

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2011, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

It'd be possible to even get 480k+, but that's effectively asking for you to have gotten botched on a run that would have been 482k+. A Ram from the beginning is not absolutely fatal unless you've already punched your Dash and end up losing all that speed over time.

What is all this: "You can still win if you get KD'd at start" shenanigans? You'dd figure people who get top scores to know better.

The sole fact that you'dd still have to pass 5 other beetles is enough reason to ensure you won't make a top time.

Unless, offcourse, you have access to certain hacks and exploits for example enable you to click to walk (for better sync with server, I know this one exists).

To get a mini 2011 (and 2009 and 10 for that matter), you always had 3 options:

-Sync
-Exploit (There's enough hacks I could post here if only allowed to)
-Get lucky

I tried for about 2 hours, and that's it for this year. I got a 478K time, which indvidually is a top 100 score (no counting the 20 cheating germans/frenchies alt acounts) and that's good enough for me. I really can't be asked wasting another entire weekend trying to get a 485K score (which I could if I synced or exploited like the rest), and neither should anyone else attempt at doing so.

It's a waste of time trying to beat up against the hordes of cheaters in these mini-games (both snowball and RBR) and why Anet ever decided to give such abundant rewards to easily the most botted/cheated and least competitive format will always be beyond me.

Artisan Archer · Feb 05, 2011, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Option 4; be good at rbr.

or maybe I just got lucky 3 years in a row.

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2011, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Option 4; be good at rbr.

or maybe I just got lucky 3 years in a row.

But you're arguing predicting when other racers (which are random PvE'ers who randomly use skills) is a skill, rather than a pseudo-science.

For me, that falls under the "luck" category.

I have no doubts you understand how RBR works (as do I, as I can easily score 480K times give the fact I don't get screwed over by boxes/players), but your arguing here reminds me so bad of Runescape forums (which I played like 5 years ago, and recently started again).

In Runescape, hits get randomly calculated (it's that simple), and in PvP, whilst there definatly is some skill in clicking at the right time (weaponswapping, eating food, etc) there's always those few idiots who argue they hit better because they're "skilled".

Yes, there's a basic amount of skill in RBR, something which anyone can master reading my guide and watching the youtube video 2-3 times. But from there on, it's luck or the 2 other options. (which I like to call create your own luck)

And something I've always claimed is that: In a format as flawed as RBR, it's just really suspicious that all the top 100 score players are usually in the same 2-3 guilds, and are close friends, yet failed to achieve anything in real aspects of Guild Wars. (HA, GvG, and maybe even Hero battles, altough there is 1 or 2 players who managed to be half-decent at HB)

Coast · Feb 05, 2011, 02:47 PM // 14:47

It's botted mostly, Xinec told me before he got permabanned.

novawhiz · Feb 05, 2011, 02:47 PM // 14:47

All you have to do is learn best path, and where to use which skill, which is incredibly easy. Then its just a matter of mindless repetition waiting for that lucky run when you get echo srb and you dont have interfering team mates.

The people in top 100 dont have some super awesome strategy, or leet skills. They just do it over and over until luck favor them

Artisan Archer · Feb 05, 2011, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Believe it or not, even 'n00bs' don't bash skills at random, they might hit them on recharge, but that's not random is it? Tis not hard to predict when people use what, after observing the first couple of seconds of the race. This the same ability that lets people dshot infuse or pre-prot targets. Because you can't do it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ofcourse there's a little bit of luck involved. Obviously being the blue ball is an advantage and getting the right spawn is pretty cool too for getting a top score. But if you play often enough skill > luck since you can eliminate the bad-luck runs by doing very many and getting a few good-luck ones in.

If anything, shield should stop lunging aswell.

Also if you only try for 2 hours, yeah, you might have some bad luck, but then again. Is playing for only 2 hours really worth 500(?) ecto?

PS: Godwin's Law doesn't only apply to Hitler. I think in this context Runescape qualifies aswell...

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2011, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Believe it or not, even 'n00bs' don't bash skills at random, they might hit them on recharge, but that's not random is it? Tis not hard to predict when people use what, after observing the first couple of seconds of the race. This the same ability that lets people dshot infuse or pre-prot targets. Because you can't do it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ofcourse there's a little bit of luck involved. Obviously being the blue ball is an advantage and getting the right spawn is pretty cool too for getting a top score. But if you play often enough skill > luck since you can eliminate the bad-luck runs by doing very many and getting a few good-luck ones in.

If anything, shield should stop lunging aswell.

Also if you only try for 2 hours, yeah, you might have some bad luck, but then again. Is playing for only 2 hours really worth 500(?) ecto?

PS: Godwin's Law doesn't only apply to Hitler. I think in this context Runescape qualifies aswell...

You're still arguing nonsense:

Yes, you CAN observe peope and watch their behaviour, that's what I do to try and gues people will Ram at start or not, but you never know for sure.

Also, there's little to no use of knowing people's behaviour post 17 seconds, because the game is usually won or lost by then. It's the first 10 seconds that are most crucial for any skilled player.

And the truth is that PvE'ers will randomly use Ram anywhere in those 10 seconds. You only have 4 seconds of immunity, and thus no matter how skilled you are, you'll always have a high chance of getting KD'd.

UNLESS you Ram start or sync/exploit.

Missing HB · Feb 05, 2011, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Also if you only try for 2 hours, yeah, you might have some bad luck, but then again. Is playing for only 2 hours really worth 500(?) ecto?

I could believe it but well , i saw some players having multiple accounts in ladder 4-5 hours after rollerbeetle was introduced ( so euro evening thursday..)... I would like to believe it's luck , but is it really ?

Even now i'm watching semestrial ladder , there are multiple players called same : i.e Master Joan I , Master Joan III ; Arya I , Arya II , many called Ewok ,etc...
Considering you still need to expect to be able to get a perfect race ( not getting any kd , getting super on good times ) , it's really hard to think many in actual top100 are playing fair ..

And well , like Borat said it's quite pointless anyway now . It looks like it will end up with top100 scores 481+ ...

Shayne Hawke · Feb 05, 2011, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

What is all this: "You can still win if you get KD'd at start" shenanigans? You'dd figure people who get top scores to know better.

The sole fact that you'dd still have to pass 5 other beetles is enough reason to ensure you won't make a top time.

If you're under the impression that you can't pull a first place finish out of getting KD'd at the start of the race, then trying for a top time is going to always be a futile effort.

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-Exploit (There's enough hacks I could post here if only allowed to)

Have you PMed any links to these hacks to Regina?

If not, you've not even taken the first step in trying to get rid of them, so I hope that you've done at least this much.

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I really can't be asked wasting another intire weekend trying to get a 485K score (which I could if I synced or exploited like the rest)

Not with your attitude, you won't.

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why Anet ever decided to give such abundant rewards to easily the most botted/cheated and least competitive format will always be beyond me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Baphomet · Feb 05, 2011, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I find my biggest detriment to be the average 12 year old who wants to win the race instead of place top 100. I lose my temper pretty easily and pick up all crates to echo lightning them though.

Anyway, thanks for sharing.

Ewon · Feb 05, 2011, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by The Baphomet

I find my biggest detriment to be the average 12 year old who wants to win the race instead of place top 100. I lose my temper pretty easily and pick up all crates to echo lightning them though.

Anyway, thanks for sharing.

I have to say, the same thing pisses me off. All the people who think nothing of ending your run. I had 1 guy who watch me try to use my eched srb (he had 1 copy too) but he recharged my skills right before people would have used it. He then laughed at me for stopping my top 100 run.

I gotta say though, even though I get pissed about it, can we really get mad at the people just racing to the end? I mean, that is what this game is for. For some reason Anet decided to reward people for the fastest scores even though that isn;t what the race is about. Anyone who wouldn;t think this would promote cheat/syncing clearly does not pay attention to the gaming world.

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2011, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Gaile and other's have been aware of most exploits for a long time. Instead, they refuse to do anything about it.

Again, a friend of mine, who helped create GWLP and so much more exploits (Tough he never did it to harm anyone, solely for educational/entertainement purposes) send in all his exploits directly to Gaile Gray.

With the exception of 1 or 2, not one of them got fixed within months. As a result, he kept experimenting with these exploits, with full approval of Gaile: He actually saved the email (and showed me) in which he's corresponding with Gaile where she says he needs to "report" all his findings to her.

A couple of months later, he got banned for abusing exploits, yet almost none of the exploits got fixed, and Gaile ignored his emails.

Anet/NCSoft is aware of these exploits and hacks (including the bot frenzy that went on years ago) yet refused to do anything about it.